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Boys Don't Read Girls' Books?
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First posted on Wed, 8 Mar 1995 by fairrosa

I always thought that the only reason that girls seem to read all kinds of books, even if the protagonists are boys, is simply that girls are more open-minded and all embracing, less gender-conscious or something. This morning, I suddenly had this terrible hunch that, there might be another reason why boys react to girls' book much less favorable than girls to boys' books -- could it be that both girls and boys regard female as a "secondary" gender?

Boys, since they are socially "superior," they can simply despise reading girls' books without fearing missing out on anything significant, whereas girls, being "secondary," do not mind reading about male protagonists, who are "one step higher" in the social structure. It's a little bit like how kids accept books with main characters older than they are and will not touch books with younger protagonists.

I did no study on this aspect. It's just a hunch. I'd like to hear how you all think? It makes me quite uncomfortable thinking this way. I always simply presume myself equal to whoever and I seldom interpret anything based on gender issues. (I'm scared by my own thoughts.)

Posted on Wed, 8 Mar 1995 by Robert Lockhart

fairrosa writes:
(I always thought that the only reason that girls seem to read all kinds of books, even if the protagonists are boys, is simply that girls are more open-minded and all embracing, less gender-conscious or something. This morning, I suddenly had this terrible hunch that, there might be another reason why boys react to girls' book much less favorable than girls to boys' books -- could it be that both girls and boys regard female as a "secondary" gender?

Boys, since they are socially "superior," they can simply despise reading girls' books without fearing missing out on anything significant, whereas girls, being "secondary," do not mind reading about male protagonists, who are "one step higher" in the social structure. It's a little bit like how kids accept books with main characters older than they are and will not touch books with younger protagonists.)

I believe there is great deal of truth in what you are saying here. Part of the problem is that most of the traditional canon of literature (mainly classic novels written primarily for an adult audience) deal with male protagonists in a male dominated society. Both the male and female students have been required to read this literature, and it has been accepted as "normal" practice for females to read about male protagonists; males have not traditionally been required to about female protagonists. In addition, by the time these kids get into school and begin reading novels, they have been costructed in such a way as to valorize "masculine" (I am using this term for the sake of a better one) qualities in our society rather than "feminine" or even "androgynous" qualities. Although the situation is gradually changing, very few male adolescents would desire being seen with a "female" book in their hands, especially one that has a cover like most "female" books do. Unfortunately, it appears that books with female protagonists are marketed for female readers only. There is a wonderful growing list of novels with female protagonists; maybe the males should be forced to read them in the classroom as the females have been forced to read novels with male protagonists.

Posted on Wed, 8 Mar 1995 by Vicki Merrill

I am very tired so hope this comes out in one piece. I do want to think about why boys will not read books where the main character is a girl but girls will read a book about boys. but ages ago I heard that Scott O'Dell was told he should change Zia to a male in Island of the Blue Dolphins or boys would not read it. He refused and boys do read it, but is that because it is action oriented? I also would love to know if anyone knows if that comment about the request of the publisher is accurate.

Posted on Wed, 8 Mar 1995 by Linnea Hendrickson

This is an enormous topic. A few thoughts: "Man" has always been the standard of mankind. Women "other." Tomboys have traditionally been more acceptable than sissies (defined as males who take an interest in anything defined as feminine). Girls' and women's stories have traditionally been about relationships, men's stories about action and adventure. As "other" women are expected to know something of the male world, but "women's stories" are not worth men's bothering about. Someone recently did a study -- can't find the reference now -- of paperback covers of books marketed for boys and for girls -- girls and their mothers buy for girls soft focus, dreamy looking covers. I'm encouraging the men in my class this semester to read some Sweet Dreams and Sweet Valley High stories and give us all a report from a male perspective. Can anyone suggest a similar category of books exclusive to men that the women should read? Guess not. Seems like women read EVERYTHING. As students of literature women have traditionally read mostly literature written by men and criticism written by men and have identified themselves with the male voice.

I am speaking in generalizations here, obviously, and don't wish to offend anyone, especially not the thoughtful, sensitive men who have been brave enough to venture into the women and children's domain of children's literature!

Posted on Thu, 9 Mar 1995 by Jane Buchanan

On the subject of boys not reading "girls" books, I wonder how much that has to do with adults not giving them such books to read (because we all know boys won't read them). I can think of a number of books about girls that boys read willingly: Patricia Wrede's DRAGON books; Robert Cormier's OTHER BELLS FOR US TO RING (I think thats the correct title, it's also about Christianity); Lois Lowry"s NUMBER THE STARS; Jane Yolen's THE DEVIL'S ARITHMATIC; L'Engle's A WRINKLE IN TIME; LYDDIE; Karen Hesse's LETTERS FROM RIFKA; Kindl"s OWL IN LOVE; Avi's TURE CONFESSIONS OF CHARLOTTE DOYLE; Jean Thesman's RACHEL CHANCE; HARRIET THE SPY, just to name a few. True, most won't tackle ANNE OF GREEN GABLES or LITTLE WOMEN, but many girls don't have the patience for that either.

As to editors telling writers to change the sex of the characters, I'd suggest another editor. There are some out there who simply don't know what children like.

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 06:07:21 -0800/ From: Karla Walters

As someone currently searching for a title featuring a girl to assign in the 10th grade, this subject hits home. Our 10th grade lit anthology was published in 1972 and only has a few African American authors to represent "diversity" and features NOT ONE female protagonist. This is the anthology of "classics" and not our YA materials, which are separate. NONE of our YA titles feature girls, either. I am trying to figure out where the source of the "conspiracy" lies. All the teachers at the school (this is my first year at the school) say they have been looking for a "good quality" book featuring a girl.

Is it the fault of the school board and voters who don't give money to schools for new books more often? Is it the fault of the teachers, who when last given the opportunity to purchase new 10th grade books elected to buy handbooks for teaching writing and speech instead of new literature books? Is it the fault of the teachers, who if they WERE to assign something like Little Women or The Blue Sword would probably face strong resistance from the male students (who are often more numerous than girls in both weak reading skills and in voicing agressive complaints)? Is it the fault of the publishers, who are driven by this complex "market"? Is it the fault of parents who want to reinforce traditional sex roles in their children?

In the meantime, I hope to read Lyddie and will suggest it to my department. Since it is about a girl in the world of work, this just might work with boys.

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:34:00 CST/From: Waller Hastings

fairrosa raises the question whether boys may avoid "girls' books," while girls read both boys' and girls' books, because both sexes see "boys' books" as representing a superior class - male gender being preferenced over female.

i think she may be right on this, though it saddens me to say so. in my "golden age" children's literature class last semester, we had only two male students out of 20. neither of them had read any traditional "girls' books" as children (nor had i); several of the female students had read extensively. one of the male students commented negatively on the absence of "boys' books" in my syllabus and suggested that he thought it was a waste of time to read "girls' books" - this from a young man in his 20s who was majoring in English and might be presumed to wish to read widely. the other male did not specifically complain but tended to be absent when we were discussing such "girls' books" as *Little Women* and *The Secret Garden*. this would suggest that there remains a negative for "girls' books" right through the college years, at least as far as boys are concerned.

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 12:57:00 -600/ From: Kathleen Horning

I think you've hit the nail on the head, in terms of adult expectations about what boys will and will not read. Often we unconsciously (or in this case, consciously!) limit children's choices by prejudging their attitudes, interests and abilities. In my work as a public librarian, I make it a point to offer children a range of books featuring protagonists of both genders and all races (inasmuch as possible) and I'm pleasantly surprised to see how often children choose to read about kids who are outwardly different from themselves. Sometimes an adult accompanying the child will be the one to question the child's choice ("Are you sure you want a that one?").

I think we should give boys more credit for being individuals with varied tastes, instead of feeding them only what we think they'll like. I have learned this from observing the boys themselves, who will -- if you listen -- freely ask for Ramona books, Patricia Wrede's dragon books, and even occasionally, American Girls series books! The books most popular with boys here in Madison are the Tamora Pierce "Lioness Quartet" books (with gender-specific titles like "Alanna," "In the Hand of the Goddess" and "The Woman Who Rides Like a Man") but I have yet to receive a request from a girl for the Pierce books. Go figure.

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:32:36 -0600/ From: Barbara Kinkead

If you are an educator or parent of boys a "must read" along the lines of this topic is, *Boys Will Be Boys* , by Myriam Miedzian. It is a thorough, and I mean thorough, discussion of how our society molds(intentionally and unintentionally) boys into the boys they are, and the men they will become. My copy of the book is at home, so I am not really doing justice to this description, but it really is an extraordinary societal study. Several case studies are included. It is not a "light read" but as an educator in an all boys school, I found it extremely enlightening--and helpful.

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 17:42:12 -0600/ From: Kaia Wood

I find it interesting that you bring this up. I, as a girl, would not only not read books about boys, but would not read books written by men (incidently I missed out on M.E. Kerr and S.E. Hinton for a long time because of this prejudice). In looking back, I believe I thought that I would not relate to boys, and that men knew nothing about what it's like to grow up a girl. I strongly supported the idea of feminism in my primitive way, but I think I secretly thought that girls were NOT as good and that is why I shouted that they were not only as good but better every chance I got. Just a thought. I guess I'm saying that might be part of the phenomena your questioning. I hope this makes sense as I am in a hurry.

Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:42:18 -500/ From: Vicki Sweet

I think this is a very interesting issue. I'd like to think that girls will read "boy" books because we are more open minded, etc. I think that the issue of boy vs girl books does not really start until about 3rd grade when the "girl" books start to deal with issues of feelings and other "feminine" topics. I think that boys don't want to read these books because they aren't "manly" enough and fear being scoffed at by their peers. I did have one boy who checked out "girl" books and I must admit that I always thought it odd. I have to think more about this whole topic. The other problem is that we lose boys at this age also because of a lack of books that are "safe" for them to read. I met Bruce Coville at a meeting and he agreed with me and said that was one reason why he wrote books.

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:43:51 -0500/ From: Renee Fisher

This is my first time---so everyone please be gentle with me. I agree with you Linnea- Most of the books I find for my 31/2 year old daughter show her what she can be when she grows up; a fairy queen, a ballerina, or a mommy. Although these are all admirable goals for a young girl to strive for, she does have many other exciting alternatives. I mean motherhood is an incredible experience, but we need to teach our young girls to be realistic. As a working mother...I also have additional personal goals and outside interests besides my daughter. In addition, most of the fairy tales my daughter and I read give her the impression that one day a handsome prince will come and rescue her from all evil. No wonder little boys don't want to read "girl books."

I have just finished writing a children's book for little girls ages 3 to 6. The story was created to show a little girl some of the other options she will have when she grows up and becomes a woman. I don't really care if boys read my book--On the other hand, I do care if a publisher (when I find one) asks me to change the gender of one of my girl characters! Don't you all think it would be healthy for young boys, and girls, to read a book which shows a strong female character? Can anyone recommend some books that will help little girls look more positively at themselves as well as the multitude of other options they have in their future? Does anyone know any publishers who would be interested in this subject matter? I hope this all makes sense, and I would be interested to know your comments!

Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 14:33:46 -0500/ From: Donna Campbell

A reading suggestion for this topic that bears repeating is Elizabeth Segel's "As the Twig is Bent: Gender and Childhood Reading." It appears in the volume _Gender and Reading_, ofited which one of the editors is Patrocinio Schweikert (sorry about possible misspellings). --

Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995
From: John Dale Fisher

I just gotta tell y'all this: even as a sensitive male, I find too many female protagonists acting unlike any female teens that I associate(d) with. Recently, I read a Texas Lonestar selection *Susanna Spiegelman Gives Up Guys* by (I think) June Foley (I've already returned the book to the library). Although popular with many of the GT students, I found it insulting to young ladies and unrealistic in its portrayal of the "teen dating scene." I also thought the protagonist lost her bet long before the penultimate chapter; the insult comes in what takes her so long to see an obvious relationship exists.

I'll shut up before I say more. I thought that for such a highly-rated novel for young adults, it would be a little more complimentary to popular females instead of so derogatory. (My librarian agrees with my assessment. She figures it's popular with the kids, though, because it provides a quick read for another teacher's novel review. The library card shows a majority of its readers are females.)


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